Tune in for a chat with Mitchell Williamson, Of Counsel at Barron & Newburger, P.C., about lessons learned in the world of legal collections. Mitch shares examples from his extensive experience in the industry about lawsuits, settlements, defense litigation, reputation protection, and more. Learn more with this week’s #ReceivablesPodcast, hosted by Adam Parks!
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Adam Parks (00:01.58)
Hello everybody. Adam Parks here with another episode of receivables podcast. Today I am here with an industry legend, Mr. Williamson with Baron Neuberger. How you doing today, Mitchell?
Mitchell Williamson (00:14.818)
Good, good.
Adam Parks (00:17.07)
I really do appreciate you coming on and having a chat with me this morning. And I've had the opportunity to spend some time with you at the RMAI summits and other conferences throughout the years. But for anyone who has not been as lucky as me, can you tell everyone a little bit about yourself and how you got to the seat that you're in today?
Mitchell Williamson (00:33.296)
how I got to the seat today, and I'm in today. Well, it's a long and winding road, as is everything. I started out, I decided I wanted to be a lawyer back when I was in high school. I was on the debate team and I had an instance which I'll talk about. I was at a youth group dance. As I said, I was on the debate team. The topic of that year was
was the Constitution and the First Amendment and the Second Amendment. I was at a conference, at a dance rather, social event, went outside up in North Jersey, went outside with two people walking around to take a walk. At that time, it back in the 60s. We were doing things a little differently then. I had a corn -cop pipe. I'm sure nobody...
Most of the people listening will not what I'm talking about, but back then they actually made pipes out of corn cob. They take a corn cob, about two inches, it out and put a stem in it and you could smoke out of it. And I was walking with these two people, guy and a girl that I just met. And a guy asked me, could I borrow your pipe? And I said, I didn't think about it. I said, sure. Three, four minutes later, somebody jumps out of the bushes. It was the local police. It put marijuana in the pipe.
And they'd been watching him because he was notorious smoker. And he asked him, where'd you get that? Where'd get the pipe? And he turned to me and he goes, him. And I'm thinking, now what do I do? This is, this is not good. I wasn't smoking. didn't have anything on me. But as, as fate would have it, I had argued all that morning about the constitution and constitutional due process, et cetera. So I started reciting the statute, the constitution and different provisions.
Adam Parks (01:59.053)
Okay.
Mitchell Williamson (02:28.916)
Short story, cop let me go, took those two away in the car. And I realized the power of information and the power of being, know, knowing the law. Skip ahead. When I got out of high school, I went to Israel. Again, it was back in the day when everybody was talking about communes, communism and that kind of thing. So I knew that in Israel they had kibbutz. Kibbutz was the purest form of a commune.
Mitchell Williamson (02:56.48)
Everybody who's not familiar, it's a collective farm and everybody's here by choice. And you work according to your ability, but everybody shares equally in the profits of the kibbutz. So I went to Israel, I lived on a kibbutz for a year, picked apples, picked oranges, picked pecans, lifted boxes. I thought I turned that off. And after a year I said, this is
Adam Parks (02:59.96)
Okay.
Adam Parks (03:19.596)
That's all right.
Mitchell Williamson (03:25.452)
This is great, but I'm not meant for manual labor. I enrolled the following year. went to Hebrew university in Jerusalem and that's where I studied for a year philosophy. Realized that that's not the greatest idea. was a philosophy and English major. Yeah. Go to a foreign country to study English. That makes sense. And I also had an interest in photography from high school days. So I decided to come back. wanted to learn photography and I came back and I.
Adam Parks (03:43.712)
Yeah.
Mitchell Williamson (03:54.688)
learned and went to a junior college, studied photography and I became a professional photographer, primarily doing sports. And I did that. And then I went to Rutgers University when Rutgers was good athletic, had good teams and I took pictures there. And that led to working with some good New York Times, Sporting News and a couple of other, the NBA, a couple of other publications. After a number of years.
I met somebody, I met an Israeli girl who was working here, ended up going back to Israel. And I spent four years as a professional photographer in Israeli newspapers. And then finally I said, okay, it's time to get a real life. It's time to join, you know, to join the real world. And I came back and I went to law school. So I went to law school in New York, law school in New York, which was great.
After law school, my first job was at a defense insurance defense firm and I did insurance coverage for four years, environmental pollution, where we dealt with the big, big cases, millions of pages of documents and computerization was just getting started. When we started that case, we were putting all our documents on microfiche. You can believe that we had it. We had millions of documents.
Adam Parks (05:15.118)
I remember that.
Mitchell Williamson (05:19.5)
was with one of the large chemical manufacturers. We had millions of documents and we had hired a team of five people with microfiche units that had down there. And after people reviewing the documents, they were recording them on microfiche. So eventually we got to scanning documents that came later in time. But I learned quite a bit. Eventually I left that firm and I was on my own. And when I was on my own, had a
Mitchell Williamson (05:49.194)
I set up my office in my house. My dining room was my office. I divorced a wife in Israel and I met somebody else and I got married. And she said, I want a dining room. You got to get a job. You got to get out of the house and get a job. So I sent out resumes and I got hired by, I got an offer from Pressler and Pressler. I got that offer through an agency.
Adam Parks (06:13.804)
okay, I know them. Okay.
Mitchell Williamson (06:16.728)
Now I didn't, I had never heard, I'd been practicing for 10 years at that point. I'd never heard of Pressler and Pressler. Pressler and Pressler, for those who don't know, was the largest, is the largest collection law firm. And I'd say in the Northeast at that time, there were over 400 people. This is back in 2001, 2002. Took an interview because I had a friend who had an office in the area. I figured what the hell, if it doesn't work, I still, we can go have lunch. So it'd a nice afternoon.
Okay.
Adam Parks (06:32.909)
Yeah.
Mitchell Williamson (06:47.192)
They ended up hiring me. saw, the only thing they saw is that I was familiar with computers. That I knew a lot about. And I stayed at Presler for 14 years as in -house counsel. The first two years I did collection work. I didn't make calls, but I went to court. I tried cases. I tried quite a few credit card cases when there was an attorney on the other side.
Mitchell Williamson (07:16.066)
both in New York and New Jersey. I worked with debt buyers pretty closely and I learned the business from that side. Eventually, as people in the industry know, Preston and Preston got sued a lot back then. And I got so busy that I couldn't do anything but do defense. And I segued over to just defending cases on a regular basis. And that was my sole function. During that time, I Manny Neuberger and we became friends. He worked with the firm.
Mitchell Williamson (07:47.301)
And we talked about eventually I was getting, I wanted to broaden my horizons doing defense work because while I was a press there, was limited. can only, I did actually have some outside clients, one or two law firms that hired me, but that was rare since who's going to hire a competitor to defend them. makes sense. But I actually did get a number of law firms in the area in the New York metropolitan area that I defended while I was a press there. But I wanted to.
Adam Parks (08:03.598)
Sure.
Mitchell Williamson (08:14.87)
get out, I wanted to just do defense work. And eventually I joined Barony Newberger, it's about six and a half years ago. And that's the long, that's the short answer.
Adam Parks (08:22.648)
Okay.
Adam Parks (08:26.059)
That's the short answer. Okay. And so now you're with Baron Neuberger and your focus is still on the defensive side.
Mitchell Williamson (08:28.471)
Yeah.
Mitchell Williamson (08:32.522)
All I do is defense. also do, represent banks, law firms, debt buyers, collection agencies. I've represented some other companies because we've also been involved in FTC and CFPB investigations for other types of businesses connected to the financial services field. I'm sure.
Adam Parks (08:51.544)
Sure. So as we started planning this webinar or the podcast today and talking through some different ideas, one of the things that I found really interesting in our discussion was talking about kind of the timing of settlements from a defensive standpoint and just kind of looking at the process because I think
Negotiation is negotiation kind of no matter where it happens. Right. I think the pillars of negotiations remain the same. But from a legal perspective, it feels like time is, you know, there's time, information and power. If you go back and you look at the Herb Cohen books, who was like the great negotiator really of the late 20th century, you have time, information and power. But it sounds like in your world, time is one of the most important.
pillars of those negotiations. Talk to me a little bit about what that kind of means and how you view the process of settlements.
Mitchell Williamson (09:47.436)
Well, from a real perspective, as I told you when we were offline, I just got called in. have a trial on Monday morning. Now don't expect the trial to go forward. It's a pretty complex case. It's a class action. There's motions that should have been made that haven't been made yet by the other side. And it's a case that I was looking over before we talked. And I see that we've been trying to settle it for about two years now. And the number keeps coming down. And...
Adam Parks (10:12.482)
Okay.
Mitchell Williamson (10:15.96)
Once we got, we asked for an adjournment. My adversary asked for an adjournment. didn't get it. Yesterday they said, you know, we expect you in here Monday morning. Well, I've gotten several emails and the price is coming down. And it's my belief that it's not going to trot. It's not going to settle if it settles at all until Monday morning when we're actually in court and it becomes real. And he's faced with the prospect of now I've got to go forward. Now, as I told you, this goes back to when I was doing collection work.
Adam Parks (10:29.315)
Mitchell Williamson (10:46.262)
and calling people about a trial. Trials are on Friday mornings, a lot of times. I'm gonna, excuse me, just let me close the door.
Mitchell Williamson (11:03.73)
Sorry. So, and we learned something that we would call somebody up on Monday or Tuesday, we'd have a collector call and try to settle it and the debtor would hang up on them. You know, go to hell, I'm not talking to you. And that would continue Thursday night. Holy mackerel. Cases started disappearing because it finally, you know, it's until the reality in my world, until the reality
Adam Parks (11:05.006)
It's okay.
Adam Parks (11:24.148)
Mitchell Williamson (11:31.542)
of you're going to trial, you're actually going to have to appear tomorrow, sets in. And because three days from now, it's still not real. That's what I've learned. It's tomorrow morning. I got to get up tomorrow morning. I got to put on a tie. Then it becomes real. And that's when things get settled. The other, you know, from that is, I was telling you, we had a, I had a big case in a prior career and we spent a couple of days, three of us, three attorneys getting ready for that trial.
Mitchell Williamson (12:01.846)
And I had a good feeling that we weren't going to go to, it was never going to go forward, but we spent at least three days, three of us really going through it. was big involved. It was concerning land transactions. And on Monday morning, prior to trial, it was settled. Like at eight o 'clock in the morning. And I came into belief that if we had not done that, if we had not done all that work, somehow,
Mitchell Williamson (12:30.86)
psychically it went through the air and the other side knew that we were ready to go and they decided to settle. So I think that's another, you know, another important right.
Adam Parks (12:41.442)
the confidence in your statement, right? So it's the confidence in me being able to say, no, I'm ready. Like it's an, it looked from a business to business perspective, we face a lot of the same things. We may be, you know, having a disagreement with another organization when it comes down to it, when I can make the statement, no, I'm prepared to litigate, it's okay.
Right. They feel a lot differently about that. But I like what you say about kind of that last minute. Right. I think it's when they got to go iron their suit and get that tie ready for the morning and, you know, move their calendar around or whatever it else it is that they have to do in order to appear in the morning that it becomes very, very real. And so it's I think and that's just human nature in general. Right. Humans like to wait till the 11th hour in order to do anything. So it's it feels like it's a fairly normal process.
Now, when you're talking about kind of that last minute settlement, do you think it's more the, let's say the defendant or the plaintiff or the attorney that's starting to push for it? Because I feel like not all attorneys are gonna get as prepared as you're willing to get, right? So if you're willing, like before you're going in there to make that statement.
Do think that they're settling because they're just not prepared to go forward or is the realities of the cost and expenditures and everything else that's going to have to go into it start to become?
Mitchell Williamson (13:59.512)
Well, in our space, let's just if we limit it to our space. Remember, attorneys only get paid if they win. The big money in all of our cases is not on the damages, the liability issue. Remember, the FDCPA is a $1 ,000 statutory limit and they don't get any more than that unless they can show actual damages, something real. And that depends of course, from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, what's real and what isn't, psychically.
Mitchell Williamson (14:28.568)
emotional, all that kind of stuff. But in general, I'm thinking any case, you've got 20 % max for the plaintiff, 80 % in attorney's fees. So really what they're negotiating, so have to, so when you understand that, what you're negotiating is their fees. What are their fees? Because that's what they're trying to recover because it's easy. If you want it to settle with a plaintiff, you could do that. Okay, here's 1500, you're done.
You didn't have, you got a letter, you didn't like it. So it's a violation, but realistically, but there, but the attorneys, why need $10 ,000? And the reason is they figure that's what they want to compensate them. So you need to, if they have, if there's some question in their mind, and this really determines on the ability of the attorney, how realistic they are about their case and their prospects, because what you're.
Adam Parks (15:02.257)
You
Adam Parks (15:14.198)
Interesting.
Mitchell Williamson (15:28.182)
A lot of them aren't realistic. just don't appreciate the variables and what can happen. Those that do are the easiest to negotiate with because they recognize that it's a risk. And as I like to tell people, which, you know, maybe the clients like or don't like, say, I get paid either way. So I don't really care. I'm going to court on Monday morning. I'm getting paid for it. You, on the other hand, may not get paid because if you get the settlement or win a trial, you walk away empty handed.
Adam Parks (15:39.352)
Sure.
Mitchell Williamson (15:57.332)
So maybe you want to think about a bird in the hand. And that's a part of it. That's a large part of it in our space. if you convey that to them and there are those that you can negotiate and listen to and say, here's some of the issues, there's attorney.
Adam Parks (16:14.67)
So let me ask you this, is it more likely for an attorney to, I've got two different kinds of attorneys in my mind here when it comes to, I'm gonna call it, I'm gonna throw up consumer representation and air quotes because the rest of my statement is probably a little more aggressive. Is it the ambulance chasers that are more likely to settle or is it those that,
you know, are kind of one off attorneys into the space. And by ambulance chasers, I'm referring to the let's call it 10 different groups that literally are building a marketing plan around suing collection agencies and they're spending money on search engine optimization. Right. And they're doing literally lead generation like any other type of organization because they're trying to sell a product. The product is sue the sue the collector. Now, on the flip side, you get like regular attorneys. It's, you know, somebody's buddy going in there.
So how do you view the difference between those two worlds?
Mitchell Williamson (17:11.672)
Well, I think there's more variations on the embassy. Let's start with the regular, the one -off that you never see again, that they just, most of the time they're really not familiar with this area. 99 % of the time, they've never handled a case in this world before. They really don't know. And they're relatively easy to negotiate with actually. And most of them, you you get a couple who think because they don't understand, it's a hundred thousand dollar case. It's like you.
Adam Parks (17:15.896)
Okay.
Adam Parks (17:39.651)
Yeah
Mitchell Williamson (17:40.648)
You laugh at them and say, you know, you have to try to educate them. But many of them, it's especially with they're helping a friend and you want to find that out. If all they're doing is helping a friend. Or this is a client that they have for a lot of other things and they're just trying to do them a favor in a sense. It's a lot easier to negotiate and get rid of it because they're not looking for big payday. Their livelihoods do not depend on this case. So that makes a difference. Now, let's switch over to.
Adam Parks (18:05.73)
Fair. Okay.
Mitchell Williamson (18:09.528)
There's ambulance chases. There's those attorneys who are filing in mass and a lot of them for two, three, $4 ,000, they're going to go away because that's their model. Their model is to sue and to take a low ball settlement. And based on volume, they make a lot of money. And those are the people that people complain about and end up costing. If you want to litigate, you can beat them relatively easily when I say easily, but not relatively cheaply.
Mitchell Williamson (18:39.64)
because you've got to spend the time and money. And I'll throw out a name that a lot of people on this, well, anybody who's listening will have heard of it, it's David Barche, New York. His suits are worthless most of the time, 90%, 95 % of the time, they're baseless. But he's got a form complaint, which is 30 pages. You've got to deal with it. It costs, it's time and money. You've got to go after him. So you could sell, he'll end up selling for two to three grand.
Mitchell Williamson (19:08.96)
And from a business perspective, that makes good sense. However, he will then come back and come back and everybody's heard the analogy, the straight cat analogy. You leave milk out once, they'll just keep coming back. So you do want to be an ATM. So you need to fight and, you know, I'll go back for a second at Pressler. It was great because I didn't have to settle ever. I could live in every case I wanted to, because I had the time and I had the moment.
Adam Parks (19:19.308)
Yeah.
Okay.
Mitchell Williamson (19:37.592)
And a number of people who sued us and sued us a lot eventually stopped suing because they realized it was going to be a dog fight. was going to never ever set unless they had an actual valid claim. They had a valid claim. And I will say this, if you've got a valid claim, settle it as quick as you can. you know, that's not the time to puff at the check. Yeah, no, that one you want it because you don't, again, remember what I said about it's legal fees that are driving it.
Adam Parks (19:59.726)
To dig in and fight. Yeah agreed
Mitchell Williamson (20:07.288)
The more you litigate and you've heard about cases where there were really piddly violations, but somebody went all the way, went to trial, and then they ended up losing. And the debtor got $100, $200 in damages, but the law firm got $100 ,000 in legal fees, and that will happen. So that's something you have to be concerned with. So going back to, so you got that group of the ambulance chasers, the real low end who are just filing a mask, then you've got a group.
Mitchell Williamson (20:36.086)
the true believers and those with the consumer groups who actually believe philosophically that what you're doing is wrong and they want to stop that. And they're difficult to deal with because it's not about the money, it's about the idea. And sometimes some of them you can work with by making their client. They do care about their client and often cases they have more concern. They're easier to deal with in terms of their clients because they have
Mitchell Williamson (21:05.524)
more concerned for their client's well -being. for instance, if you can write off a debt and get rid of it, that means something to them because they're getting their client out from under. Then you've got the guys who are not filing en masse, who are all about the money and they're businessmen and they're looking at it from a business perspective. So you've got a number of of attorneys. They'll file cases as a class action, but to be willing to settle it on an individual basis.
Mitchell Williamson (21:35.256)
to get a payday. And that's something that people don't understand. I'm not sure everybody understands. When they have a class action, which is a legitimate class, and a legitimate class means they're not going have any problem getting a class certified, a letter case. They sent the same letter, it went out to thousand people, the same violations, every letter. That's by definition going to be a class. So you offer to settle that. They're giving up what they could make on the class case.
Adam Parks (21:56.802)
Okay.
Mitchell Williamson (22:05.368)
If they put through a class, there's legal fees involved, the time and effort that they put into going, even if you consent, even if it's not in contested, they start to put it because they've got to make motion. They've got to prepare papers to file. So it's a lot of time and money that they're going to make. That's a guaranteed if they've got a violation. So if you offer to settle it individually, they say, yeah, but I'm giving up $30 ,000 in legal fees. So you got to give me a premium.
Adam Parks (22:27.17)
class.
Mitchell Williamson (22:32.204)
So you can't settle it as if it's an individual case where I haven't put, because here I've got a guaranteed payday. So you pay them a premium. So it's going to cost more to settle a case like that on an individual basis than a class, than an individual case, which is brought as an individual. And then you've got the last group, which are going to litigate forever and try to wear you down. And there's a number of them out there who
have some skills and you've got to be prepared to go toe to toe with them forever. I case I was talking about that I'm going to trial on Monday, I'm going to on Monday. We've been litigating this for four years. I mean, this is like the old days when I used to do the cases which took several years, discovery went on forever. There were motions and we went to court a lot. These are real cases. These have to be litigated like real cases.
Mitchell Williamson (23:30.476)
And there's a lot involved. So, and then those you have to actually know what you're doing.
Adam Parks (23:36.814)
Yeah. Well, it's interesting to see the business of law that unfolds from the consumer perspective, right? There's a business in defending organizations against these, whether they actually made a mistake. feel like at least from from the seat that I sit in, you know, lot of the suits that I've seen over time and as a compliance professional in the space for over 40 different groups, most of it was not legitimate. Most of it was form letter, tick tock video driven kind of bullshit.
And a lot of that is in terms of the ambulance chasers. I've literally built a business around helping collection agencies and debt buyers protect themselves from these types of, I'm call them marketing attacks by doing reputation defense work. quite literally that's where this podcast came from, right? The whole idea for doing these kinds of things came from the ability to try and protect. Now, I also believe in consumer protection, right? And call that a paradox, but...
I believe that the consumer should be protected and if organizations are getting really out of line, that's a different story altogether. But it's those attorneys that have made a business out of cultivating leads in order to generate nuisance lawsuits, I believe needs to be addressed by, I don't know who the court system or whose responsibility that becomes, because I'm not a lawyer, thank God. I'm lucky enough to have some great relationships with people like you to advise me.
on those types of things.
Mitchell Williamson (25:06.296)
Look, you know, one of the, one of the, the after effects of the CFPB and the rules is that people in our space who are involved, who get involved in organizations, so they keep up, are getting better and better educated every day and making fewer and fewer mistakes or slipping through the cracks. What's, what's the effect of that is these, a lot of the attorneys on the other side who have made a career out of suing.
on the FTCPA, the FCRA, the TCPA, who have no other skills. They've never done anything else. And this is a relatively easy area because you don't have a lot of facts involved. So they're losing, and I've heard this from a number of plaintiff's attorneys, I'm not getting cases anymore. My business is down. So what they're doing is they're trying to get more and more creative.
Mitchell Williamson (26:02.976)
As opposed to finding something else to do, maybe you should practice another kind of law, learn how to practice. They're looking for more and more issues. And by way of example, this is a local New Jersey issue, but in New Jersey, there's a licensing act which they've been trying to apply to debt buyers. And this started about five, seven years ago, actually eight years ago. But what's happened is the debt buyers,
Adam Parks (26:28.055)
Okay.
Mitchell Williamson (26:30.456)
And I was asked back then, do I think they need it? And I said, I don't, but it's going to cost $1 something in that neighborhood to get the license. Just get the license. cares? Whether, whether you believe it's needed or not, protects you. Yeah. It's just, it's so cheap. It wasn't doing business because one lawsuit is going to cost. So everybody started getting licensed. So all of a sudden, no more suits. couldn't sue the direct. So what happened next?
Adam Parks (26:43.99)
Is irrelevant. Yeah. It's relevant.
Mitchell Williamson (26:58.776)
and it's one particular attorney, he started suing if there was somebody in the chain who wasn't licensed. So when you had a bank that sold it to debt buyer A, then debt buyer B sold it to debt buyer C, and then your client is debt buyer D. Now your client was licensed, and maybe even the debt buyer that they bought it from was licensed, and the bank doesn't need a license, but somewhere 10 years prior in that chain, there was an unlicensed entity
Adam Parks (27:25.806)
prior to the need for a license, yeah.
Mitchell Williamson (27:27.928)
Well, I have two cases like that, which are now suing that they weren't licensed. Now, will they win any? I don't believe so. But that's what they're doing. So they're looking through, especially when debts are going through multiple parties. this is one of the new, you know, how they've, what can they come up with?
Adam Parks (27:48.588)
modify it. Well, they change their strategies for lead generation too, because originally it was I'm going to build a web page on my website that talks about debt buyer A and how bad they are, right? Call me instead of paying them and they would show up in the Google search results. And then debt buyer A hires a company like branding arc to come in, fix that problem for them. And what's the attorney going to do? They start running ads. They start actually paying for Google advertisements in order to jump over the organic results that have been created.
And that becomes the battleground for a lot of this lead generation is ultimately turned into search engine results pages on Google, which is entertaining on some level, but also very frustrating and difficult because now I have to spend ad dollars in order to offset their ad dollars until they finally go away and go focus on a lower hanging fruit. But to your point, I think that they are very much focused on the low hanging fruit as much as possible.
It's interesting to learn that dynamic, Mitch. I really do appreciate you coming onto the podcast today and sharing your insights because this has been a fantastic conversation.
Mitchell Williamson (28:53.634)
I want to point out two more things than what you just said. There's two other areas where they're getting leads. One is debt relief companies. You find that a lot of attorneys have been working with debt relief companies and are feeding them. We got a guy, recent guy in New York, he's sharing the office. Not the suite, but he's in the same room as the debt relief guy. So it's kind of like they're working in tangent. The other is a lot people are using aggregators and they're getting boxes of letters that they pour over
Adam Parks (28:55.363)
Sure.
Adam Parks (29:20.12)
Mitchell Williamson (29:23.692)
you know, that these guys collect from debtors and they're pouring over them and then contacting the debtors. We see you have a problem. Of course, the debtors don't know. Keep in mind that's, know, if you ever, you haven't, but I have deposed a debtor. So when you got this letter, what'd you think? I threw it away. I ignored it. And you got an attorney saying, Hey, I need a hundred thousand dollars for the damages. What happened? That's real. That's, that's, I'm not making that up.
Mitchell Williamson (29:53.632)
So yeah, that's the world we live in.
Adam Parks (29:53.996)
God help us.
Adam Parks (29:58.22)
Well, Mitch, I really do appreciate you sharing your insights with me today. This has been a fantastic discussion for those of you that are watching. If you have additional questions you'd like to ask Mitchell or myself, you can leave those in the comments below on LinkedIn and YouTube will be responding to those. Or if you have additional topics you'd like to see us discuss, you can leave those in the comments below as well. And hopefully I'll be able to get Mitchell to come back at least one more time to help me continue to create great content for a great industry. But until next time, Mitchell, when I get to see you in.
at one of the many shows that we attend together throughout the year. I really do appreciate your time and attention today.
Mitchell Williamson (30:31.266)
Well, as I listened to a podcast earlier today, I'll see you in New Orleans, apparently.
Adam Parks (30:36.738)
I will see you in New Orleans for NCBA. But for everybody watching, thank you so much for your time and attention today. We'll see you all again soon. Bye, everybody.
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